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Why We Are Thoroughly Embarrassed to Be Shooting Video with DSLRs

6.18.2010

For those of you that haven't heard RED's Jim Jannard has lashed out at DSLR shooters, saying they should be 'embarrassed' to be shooting 1080p on line-skipping sensors. This is our letter to him :)



Dear Mr. Jannard,
We are independent filmmakers from Philadelphia. We are writing you this from the side of a pool as we bask in the glorious sun in beautiful California. We are so embarrassed that we got hired to come out and shoot a job because we use the Canon line of DSLRs. This all expense paid vacation to a gorgeous city on the completely opposite side of the country is shameful. We regret embracing the DSLR technology. Since we didn't just keep waiting for the Scarlet to come out, we have had the unfortunate luck to also be asked to go to Florence, Italy, Canada, Hawaii, Key West, and Haiti. We also filmed a documentary in New York for a company out of the UK. We got that job because we purchased the Canon 7D which shamefully gave great Depth of Field and shot at 25p. We will hang our head low as we have the embarrassing task of heading off to various parts of the world and get work we never would have gotten with traditional video cameras.

It's a real shame that Canon offered an affordable tool that is helping independent filmmakers like us across the globe. However, we are sure you are familiar with Canon, right? You remember Canon. The company that made the cameras that you shot all of Oakley's ads and commercials for the first 20 years of Oakley's history.* Yeah those guys. How dare they?

Anyway, we were humiliated when the opening sequence of SNL, a promo for Jerry Seinfeld's The Marriage Ref, a Nissan Commercial, a Puff Daddy/Rick Ross/Busta Rhymes music video and then, to make matters worse, the season finale of House were all shot on the same cameras we were using. How unprofessional it made us look to our clients.

Sir, while we can certainly understand the limitations of the cameras and your mounting frustration with the Scarlet still not being released it doesn't bode well for you as a businessman or a human to lash out so negatively. What sort of a response had you hoped for? Did you think it would make you a hero to RED users worldwide? Did you think all of us Canon users would have an epiphany and realize, "WOW, all of this work we have been getting is making us really self-conscious!" Did you envision us lining up to throw our 5D's, 7D's, and (gasp) T2i's into a big pile while we danced around them ceremoniously chanting Scarlet? Whatever you hoped to achieve we must unfortunately tell you, that you sir, have failed. We always see ourselves as forward thinkers quick to embrace technology. You have left a bad taste in our mouths and we regret to tell you that we will now probably never ever buy or use a Red camera. I couldn't possible live with myself knowing that I was supporting someone as arrogant and negative as yourself. I'm sure you don't care because you are a billionaire. Bottom line: The camera is just a tool. When you decided to post that comment, unfortunately, you proved that you are too.

Embarrassingly yours,
Jon + Cristina

P.S. If you'd like to attend a Festival of Shame I would suggest going to www.canonfilmmakerslive.com and signing up. I'll tell you what Jim, we will even let you have the student discount because, clearly you have a lot to learn.

* Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Jannard  "Jannard shot all of Oakley's ads and commercials for the first 20 years of Oakley history. He used high-end Canon equipment, including a 1DS camera and one of few EF 1200 mm lenses in existence. "

Update:
In all fairness to Jim Jannard he made a clarification to what he said I can respect this a lot more then what was initially posted by him but I won't change what I wrote because it was a truthful response to something that happened and I will never bite my tongue. Would have been a lot better if it was said this way from the get go.:
Heh heh... I'm surprised that so many people are reading posts from Reduser! :-) Wow.

Clarification #1. I think that Canon should be embarrassed about pretending that line-skipping is good enough when they have the capability to do much more. I'm sure they will in the near future. Until then, they are delivering much less than they are capable of... which is one of the reasons I started this company. No one in this industry seems to move unless they are forced to.

Clarification #2. No shooting professional has to justify what equipment they use... only their results.

If people want to correctly point out our flaws as a company, they will only be joining my previous admissions. We have no idea what we are doing. We are always late.

On the other hand, I would bet that no company in any industry cares more about their customers than RED does. We have taught the industry about free upgrades, trade ins and customer service at 3am. We have set a new standard for direct communication with our customers, a standard that other companies are trying to figure out how to emulate.

I don't have any problem with someone pointing out that I have no idea what I am doing... I have said that all along. But it is curious that the industry is falling in line to "be like RED". All I can say is ... "don't do it. You are following the wrong guy." :-)

If these other websites are going to post my comments, I certainly hope they will post this one without edit.

BTW... we have taken a lesson from Apple. We will no longer discuss what we are doing until we are done.

Jim

28 comments:

Anonymous,  June 18, 2010 at 6:41 PM  

You. Are. Awesome.

I couldn't have put it any better myself.

Unknown June 18, 2010 at 6:41 PM  

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BRAVO!!!!!!! Very nicely put guys, really made my night to hear this. Why should equipment be unattainable when imagination is ready to go.

Lets make some films, the way we want to.

Jay June 18, 2010 at 7:06 PM  

Erm Oakley ad's we're shot on Arri's not Canons....... by Jim himself.
Also he was referring to the manufacturers in his comments, but lets not have facts come in the way of a good RED bashing session right =)

Jon Connor June 18, 2010 at 7:18 PM  

Ya, who cares about facts :) Just trying to make a point. I got the info about Oakley from his wikipedia page. Oh well :) The rest of it still holds true.

vladbox June 18, 2010 at 7:27 PM  

Its getting a bit Fanatical doesn't it? Nothing to be ashamed of as a Canon film maker myself. But the RED has been used over and over on feature films all over the planet. Point being, let the guy say whatever he wants to say, actions are better than words. Not paying any attention to that takes the dignity out of his comments. In fact, he says that out of fear of the uncertain future this technology put his company in.
Just saying.

Anonymous,  June 18, 2010 at 8:07 PM  

Agreed regarding Arri's - damages the credibility. Also, touting DOF seems like playing into the hands of those who think DSLR video is just some fad. Too many people are obsessed with DOF and have no real creative vision - Vimeo is filled with "camera tests" where someone just goes out in their yard, opens the lens up and oohs and ahhs at the result.

I think the better comparison would be the producers of Duke Nukem 3 hollering at people for being dumb enough to play Halo or MW2. - Hey Jim - even those guys managed to get Duke Nukem 1&2 out the door before they broke down. I guess you've got em beat.

Anonymous,  June 18, 2010 at 8:30 PM  

Hmmm. This seems a little defensive, don't you think? And really, since the dawn of the DSLR, there has been the formation of this quasi-cult. And, it's a little annoying. Why can't it be about the end result instead or revolving around the equipment. And yes, DSLR's aren't there yet in terms of (moving) image capture.

5D Mark II TEAM June 18, 2010 at 8:33 PM  

Nice letter :)

Besides all what Mr. J. can "argue" (if that meaning could be applied to his words) we should always remember that what really matters is the final result, the art work, and NOT really the tool (the camera in this case)

The camera is only a "medium"

Too many people get too much fascinated with tools and techniques (and features & resolutions...), and somehow forget about lot other factors that are essential to an art work.

A good tool and techniques along with inspiration, creativity and good content can bring good final result, but NOT only 4K, 5K, or even 10K of resolution...

Maybe some people should start to pay more attention on what they say about other people who are already making things, which some of them are amazing and made with a... "less than 2K" camera.

Cheers.

Kaipo,  June 18, 2010 at 8:59 PM  

You guys rock!

Wild Orchid Studios June 18, 2010 at 10:33 PM  

Holy shit now I remember why I love you guys so much.

SandyB June 18, 2010 at 10:49 PM  

So pungent yet fragrantly sweet to call a tool, a tool. Insofar as a tool is as a tool does, I call all kettles black. Jon + Cristina, you guys rock!!!

VillageBoi,  June 19, 2010 at 12:39 AM  

Teehee, love you guys even more! A very funny post that put a darn big smile on my face this early morning.

Anonymous,  June 19, 2010 at 6:02 AM  

Why was the RED One even brought into the equation of a fight between it and a Canon DSLR?

David Kenny June 19, 2010 at 7:19 AM  

haha! That was brilliant, what an absolutely douche bag, thanks to Canon students can afford amazing cameras without forking out thousands of pounds! What a naive little man!

Benjamin Eckstein June 19, 2010 at 9:16 AM  

J+C,
That was awesome and perfect.

And to several of these commenters, J+C know that it is the end product. They get hired not because of the equipment they own but the work they create.

Regardless I think this response was perfection.

Ray Roman June 19, 2010 at 11:56 AM  

I'll still never understand why a $1700 Canon camera gets compared to a $18,000 RED. For the price, these DSLRs cannot be beat..I think that is a proven fact.

Anonymous,  June 19, 2010 at 6:41 PM  

Well said, but two words of advice: paragraph breaks. Use them.

Richard June 19, 2010 at 8:45 PM  

great rant... but still a rant...

please chill now and get back to great work!

Anonymous,  June 19, 2010 at 11:09 PM  

Lets not call this film making. While the digital "revolution" may have begun, digital technology is still playing catch-up to film. The digital artists have made some very good projects, but don't ever forget your past. If you want to be good "film" makers, remember the art and forget about the medium.

james June 20, 2010 at 7:11 AM  

all seems a bit petty. also proves how much 7d users really love the smell of their own farts.

Anonymous,  June 20, 2010 at 7:44 AM  

Allow me to introduce you to my friend the paragraph. He is hanging out in this very comment. You should get to know him, he's really good at making text easier to read because ideas are separated into logical chunks.

Don't get me wrong though, your rant is totally spot on :)

Dorkman June 20, 2010 at 4:11 PM  

He was talking about Canon et al. being embarrassed for "cheating" the data by creating cameras that utilize line-skipping. He wasn't saying that filmmakers should be embarrassed for using them.

Jon Connor June 21, 2010 at 12:31 AM  

Ok here we go folks. I fixed the paragraphs sort of so you can read it easier. I noted the source for the comment about Jim shooting the Oakley commercials himself with Canons. I understand that content is king. the cameras a tool. Don't compare an 18k camera to one that sells for less then 3k like Ray said. Mainly there is no need to be a jerk. You notice I only talked about him and not people that shoot with RED's. If you follow his logic that you shouldn't shoot with a DSLR because the RED is better even though the RED is WAY more expensive then wouldn't the next line of that logic be that you shouldn't shoot with a RED you should shoot with 35mm film because that's better even though it's WAY more expensive? It was a stupid comment to make and I treated it accordingly. Don't want people to post rants about you,then don't say stupid things. I knew I would catch flack over this and I posted every response and I will continue to do so. Now lets make some great work even if it is with a Hi-8 camera :)

Jon Connor June 21, 2010 at 1:46 AM  

Also "line skipping" was the best he could come up with? That's what I used to do in High School when they had the good lunch.

Rob Imbs June 21, 2010 at 10:10 AM  

Loved your initial response Jon.

Anonymous,  June 23, 2010 at 3:52 AM  

This is my first time on this website and i have to say... I LOVE IT! Who cares if DSLR'S arent there yet, there getting there, and for way cheaper, Red cameras are an insane amount of money 17,500 (for the body alone). Plus havent you heard Panasonic is creating a video camera with a dslr chip inside... but with all the video cam equipment and audio jacks you need (check out phillip blooms website thats where i saw it). If panasonic is starting that i bet canon will follow along can you imagine a video camera with the 5dmk2 or 5dmk3(when it comes out) chip inside but with no rolling shutter, and all the video stuff you need a video camera to have, nuff said...

Alex June 26, 2010 at 10:20 AM  

Very impressive. A friend of mine makes commercials here in Italy, and has been using a Canon 5d mark 2. He says the quality is broadcast level. He also tells me that the 7d is no slouch when it comes to film making either. I'm thinking about investing in one.

I want to read up on film making with dSLRs, so I shall be having a good look round!

Best from Milan, Italy,

Alex

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